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A thought for the day (or week, as it may be)...

A thought for the day (or week, as it may be)...

Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear.
Thomas Jefferson

Erebos's picture

IF I MAY

“Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumoured by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.” - Gautama Siddharta, the founder of Buddhism, 563-483 BCE)

Charles's picture

Beautiful!

Thanks, Erebos!

I'm reminded of the mindless mindset (I may yet patent or copyright that phrase!) that thrived way back in the days when I was forced to don the Nutria brown and serve, however reluctantly, the state and its various organs; when you asked a man what he voted and why, he told you "I vote for X because my father votes for X". Upon further engagement, you hear his father votes for X because HIS father votes for X. And so on.

My father, on the other hand, encouraged we children to think for ourselves, to make up our own minds, but only after studying not only the prevailing wisdom, but also the origins of the (then) current social order and how it was obtained and maintained. Not a popular approach to parenting back then, and even less so now...
The current approach is to NOT parent, and then bewail how the government and its 'schooling system' (for want of a better term that won't run afoul of the censors) has turned once wonderful children with huge potential into shallow harlots, pimps, and politicians like Ray Mac & Jacob Zee - heartless, shameless, power-hungry amoral little maggots with little if any redeeming features...

Luke Martin's picture

Mindset

When parents introduce their children to other adults, they are often quick to point out that their offspring are Jewish/Christian/Muslim/Agnostics etc.
The fact that their children may not and most often do not understand these beliefs does not matter to them.
The infant can scream and wail all it likes, the priest will still splash it with baptismal water!

Do we introduce our genetic legacy as Democrats/IFP/ANC/FF etc adherents?

No.

Why not? If we can decide their religion/belief system surely we can decide their political affiliation on this basis?

Clearly not...

Luke Martin
Convener

Charles's picture

A very interesting point, Luke...

and one which bears further inspection - it seems that, directly relative to the level of maturity and intelligence of the adults in the equation, there appears to be a corresponding willingness to accept different political views from their children. The less mature the adults, the more likely an attitude of "I vote XYZ, therefore you shall too, or I will beat you to pulp/death".

Once we reach the level where parents not only accept, but encourage independent political thought, we seem to be knocking on the door of 'extending the privilege' to include religious beliefs.

It's more a continuum of behaviours linked to a continuum of maturity levels (emotional as well as intellectual) and intellectual ability/potential than a sharply-defined predictor, but it seems to hold true for all that.

The (perceived) problem with religious independence of children, is that most parents (up to a certain level of intelligence and maturity) seem to view their own religion as an inextricably interwoven part of their culture, their values, their self-worth, and their achievements - and when they view it this way, the apparent contradictory beliefs of a child that they personally 'coached' into their own belief-system (and who now appear to be rejecting same) strike at the very heart of their own view of themselves and their perception of their own self-worth. The closer the physical relationship between the adult and the child, the more 'traitorous' such perceived insurrection is perceived to be, and the more drastic the reaction.

The only way to deal with this is for the individuals involved to be educated as to what the real meaning of religious belief is (not the dogma and man-made rules that many mistake for belief), so as to allow mature and responsible acceptance of differing belief-systems in close relatives, or even strangers, without resorting to violence in word and/or deed.

And the greatest difficulty is educating people who refuse to be educated, who believe they already know all the answers, and who view any discussion on same to be subversive attempts to undermine their own position. Just the sort of people, in fact, who kill the supporters of other political parties for having the barefaced cheek to NOT agree with their own political views... Or who refuse to recognise Pagan organisations on supposedly all-inclusive religious organisations such as the NILC, NRLF, and MRM...

Trad Witch aphorism

The world is full of magical things, patiently waiting for thy wits to grow sharper.

Erebos's picture

More mindsets

The labelling of children with their parents’ religion is a serious problem but also a sad reality. For example using terms such as a “Christian child”, when in fact he/she is “the child of Christian parents”. Using terms such as “the child of (fill in personal choice) parents” may even help make children aware that religion is not something that is inherited, and that they do not have to follow in the religious footsteps of their family – there is a choice.

I think at the centre of this is the weirdly privileged status given to religion.

Children also have the tendency to believe, without question, whatever grown-ups tell them, and this together with the (ab)use of fear, results in children who are moulded in the image of their parents’ religion.

Although many believe that children seem to have a natural tendency toward a dualistic view of the world, this is probably not true, as this “dualistic-tendency” is likely in response to parents hammering on concepts such as “right/wrong”, “white/black”, “pretty/ugly”, “truth/lies”, “smart/dumb”, “good/bad”, “with us/against us”, etc.

In a dualistic world good/evil are antagonistic absolutes, and what (normal) child would pick evil over good? This is thus a world where certain parents almost “create” a reality where one god is supreme, where only one religion is right, where there is but one truth, where the physical is bad and the spiritual is good, etc.

It is a world of rather frightening absolutes.

The black-and-white thinking of, for example, the Judeo-Christian religion/culture is not exactly a world of multiple choices. If a child is brought up in such a narrow view and rigid definition of the world, then it is no wonder that as adults it becomes almost impossible to break free from a world which “offers” a single option thinly disguised as a choice between two opposing absolutes.