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Zuma's new God squad [NILC] wants liberal laws to go

Zuma's new God squad [NILC] wants liberal laws to go

Zuma's new God squad wants liberal laws to go

MANDY ROSSOUW | JOHANNESBURG, SOUTH AFRICA - Sep 11 2009 07:00

http://www.mg.co.za/article/2009-09-11-zumas-new-god-squad-wants-liberal...

The National Interfaith Leadership Council, formed by Rhema church leader Ray McCauley and closely associated with President Jacob Zuma, flew its conservative colours this week, saying that it wants to revisit laws legalising abortion and same-sex marriages.

Last week the council (NILC) entered the debate about the ­Judicial Service Commission’s decision to drop its investigation into Western Cape Judge President John ­Hlophe. It attacked the challenge to the JSC by Freedom Under Law, chaired by former Constitutional Court judge Johann Kriegler, and Archbishop Desmond Tutu’s support for it, saying it could “only serve to further erode the integrity of the judiciary and undermine the confidence of the people in it”.

“For us, the ruling signified closure on this sad chapter and paved the way for the judiciary to heal and move forward,” the NILC said.

Nthabiseng Khunou, an ANC MP and member of the NILC secretariat, told the Mail & Guardian that the council would “play a role” in revisiting legislation legalising abortion and gay marriage.

Khunou, a pastor, said the laws were very unpopular in South Africa’s churches: “I know most churches want them abolished, so the reason for NILC is to give a voice to people who don’t have it.”

Khunou revealed that the NILC had recently discussed the possibility that South Africa might legalise prostitution, “saying: why has the church been so quiet about it? We must play our role here.”

Interviewed this week McCauley, the council’s national convener, denied any formal links between the organisation and the ANC.

But at least four members of the 20-odd group of religious leaders are ANC MPs, including heavyweights such as ANC chief whip Mathole Motshekga and former Western Cape premier Ebrahim Rasool.

McCauley insisted the group was open to other political parties. But no religious leaders who support opposition parties have joined.

“The NILC does not consult with the ANC, although there are people there who are part of the ANC,” he said.

Motshekga said the ANC insisted that the party accorded the NILC no special treatment.

“We’re on record as supporting [the] council and noted what it said about Judge Hlophe, but it is not for us to approve or disapprove.”

McCauley was not speaking for the ANC, but for his own constituency.

The M&G can also reveal that the NILC uses the ANC parliamentary caucus’s communication facilities to communicate with the media. The two NILC press statements were sent from the ANC’s offices in Parliament.

Motshekga claimed to be unaware of this, while McCauley said the statements “should not have been sent from the ANC”. Khunou said ANC MPs are free to use party email facilities for any purpose they saw fit.

Other ANC sources point to the close relationship between Motshekga and McCauley through which the idea for a new religious formation was hatched.

McCauley controversially gave Zuma an exclusive platform to speak in his Johannesburg church during the ANC’s election campaign this year.

Vusi Mona, at that time the Rhema spokesperson, defended the church’s decision to invite Zuma to address the congregation, and not leaders from other parties. Mona quit Rhema shortly after the elections to join Zuma’s presidential communications team.

Self-confessed frand convict Carl ­Niehaus was also a Rhema spokesperson before his stint as ANC spindoctor during the election campaign.

In August the NILC met Zuma and pledged its support in helping the government deal with service ­delivery protests.

Other religious leaders have been caught off guard by the decision to launch the NILC. McCauley is a leader of the National Religious Leaders’ Forum (NRLF), which includes representatives of all the major faiths practised in South Africa.

He did not attend an NRLF meeting on Wednesday.
The general secretary of the South African Council of Churches, Eddie Makue, said the purpose of the NILC was unclear to the religious fraternity. The SACC is set to meet NILC leaders before the end of September to clarify matters, he said. He added that the Dutch Reformed Church, formerly linked to the apartheid government, was also considering joining the NILC.

Makue said the SACC decided in 1995 to embark on “critical engagement” with the government: “We took the view that governments come and go, but the church will always remain.”

http://www.mg.co.za/article/2009-09-11-zumas-new-god-squad-wants-liberal...

Armand's picture

Zuma's new God squad [NILC] wants liberal laws to go

I’m so tired of the government and there hypocrisy, why do that? Don’t they have better things to do than spending our tax money on senseless things like this.

One should examine oneself for a very long time before thinking of condemning others.The hypocrite's crime is that he bears false witness against himself. What makes it so plausible to assume that hypocrisy is the vice of vices is that integrity can indeed exist under the cover of all other vices except this one. Only crime and the criminal, it is true, confront us with the perplexity of radical evil; but only the hypocrite is really rotten to the core.

Agreed

Hi Charles, I agree with eliciting the help of Hellen Zille - we could also think about Patricia de Lille.

It is maybe time to get (a) political party(ies) on our side to stop the hate speech against our religion and others that are not Christian.

not on our watch

Let's remember that the Civil Union Act, the instrument that empowers same-sex marriage, also enables Pagans to officiate as religious marriage officers.

wotanwulf's picture

Now, am I out for a duck,

or is this what this critters have been planning all along?
Should have known...

agenda

Zuma has already said "Church leaders should be able to tell government leaders if they are straying and their laws clash with the teachings of the Lord."

'Challenge unchristian laws, urges Zuma'
City Press - 8 April 2007

wotanwulf's picture

res ipsa loquitur, then.

this does not make me sleep any better tonight. Damn!

Charles's picture

Gents and ladies...

Perhaps it will help to tell you that we have been stonewalled by not only the SACC, but also the NRLF - and I just today wrote Ashwin Trikamjee of the NRLF a firmly worded letter regarding what I see as delaying tactics on his organisation's part.

Methinks the christians don't want us on the MRM, NRLF, or the NILC because we would probably embarrass them by our example - after all, the Pagans I know lead lives that are more "christlike" than that of ANY of the religious leaders mentioned in the text.

I unfortunately don't have a copy of the letter here (it's at the office), but I can send you a copy on Monday, or perhaps Luke or Morgause could publish it here.

I'm NOT happy.

I believe my next step, should correspondence not produce a positive response, is to elicit the support of one Helen Zille. She has a reputation for getting things done, and not allowing 'majorities' to deter her from doing the right and honourable thing.

Any other suggestions would be very gratefully received.

If we don't get on to these councils/organisations, we can't keep an eye on them, nor can we protect our own hard-won rights. So it's not a 'nice-to-have' - it's ESSENTIAL!

wotanwulf's picture

Charles, my man,

I agree with you on this one. Though I do not say it often, you have my support, for what it may be worth.

FF

on point

It was McCauley who complained about the fact that

"But no religious leaders who support opposition parties have joined [the NILC]." [1]

[1] Zuma's new God squad wants liberal laws to go
http://www.mg.co.za/article/2009-09-11-zumas-new-god-squad-wants-liberal...

Zuma has already committed himself publicly to consulting with opposition parties. [2]

To quote Motshekga from this article

“We strongly believe that the differences that might exist cannot be insurmountable,” said commission chairman Mathole Motshekga.

[2] The Citizen: Unity in all faith-based organisations must prevail: ANC
http://www.citizen.co.za/index/News/919524.page

The Democratic Alliance has been vocal about their opposition to the NILC. [3]

[3] ANC supports fundamentalist attack on gay people's human rights
http://www.da.org.za/forum/topic.php?id=699

I don't know if the DA would be willing to speak for the rights of excluded religious groups (including Pagans), but it can't harm to approach Zille and ask her for her opinion on this. Don't expect any more than a commitment by the DA to respecting religious equality.

I did receive a copy of your letter to Ashwin Trikamjee - brilliantly worded Charles. I think you are doing a good job - keep up the good work.

Morgause's picture

AGREED, DAMON!

I believe we have no cause to panic, but at the same time let us not become complacent. Let us be aware, vigilant and most of all let us not be intimidated by the current political climate and the involvement of certain charismatic movements in the same. Luke assured us that the SAPC will continue promoting the Melville Mandate and that, more than ever, we will continue with OUR STRUGGLE!
Charles is doing an excellent job, for which we commend him. Keep it up, Charles. You do us proud! Thank you Damon and Luke also for your indefatigable work.

BB
Morgause
SAPC Registrar